Nelly gay guys (and the history of my love for them)

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No entry has meant more to me than this. Meant as my homage to ‘nelly gay men’ it is something of that and equally a summation of my sexuality. I fear it would’ve been better for me to spend a week or a month and not just a couple of hours writing this. Instant self-publishing isn’t always a blessing.

My love and esteem to every sexually atypical person who has ever been born. Gay, straight, transgendered, intersexual, or choose your own label. Below are a couple of thousand feeble words trying to record my joy in loving a select slice of you.

There’s more to love than boy meets girl.

Fall 1972. I’d entered Armstrong State College without having to complete high school. Actually I’d take a special calculus course (two classes back to back) in the summer session. My best two friends were Victor Story and John Emmet Belue. One afternoon when Victor came home from work they kissed. It was their way of coming out to me.

I didn’t care. Not having read about it in a book I didn’t consciously know about homophobia*. Stonewall was three years past but gay people didn’t really exist in the popular press. Not many days passed, one, two, a week - I wish I knew. What do you know: I’m gay too! (All written about in more depth in my sexuality pages.**)

Neglected sexuality floods in, knocking me down, lifting back up, showing me a world filled with beautiful boys. Boys who were blonde and pale, brown and dark, tall, short, in suits, in jeans, some with intelligent eyes, others dopey looking all as beautiful as song or sentence. The overreaching, intoxicating, overpowering desire that most discover earlier came to me in my young manhood as I was passing from seventeen to eighteen. (Frustration as well: I was fat but the fat was quickly shed so that I might remain sane.)

So I ogled and cruised on the streets and buses of Savannah. It felt so good, hurt so much.

I don’t remember the first guy I looked at with my newly enlarged vision. I do remember Charlie Poole. Charlie was a pale, skinny mildly fey boyfriend of a butch Jewish guy who’d become Victor and John’s landlord. I went to see a college performance of Brecht’s Good Woman of Setzuan. Can’t tell you a thing about the play but the nelly, long-necked beauty in the cast’s image is still with me thirty-one years later.

I felt helpless and trapped at home, indifferent to Savannah’s less human charms. I shed my fat and moved to Atlanta with Gordon.

I was ready to lose my virginity. David Paul McCorkle, who admired my ‘steely blue eyes’ and ‘scary’ deep voice, was the first boy I got naked with. (And not much more, I’d been drinking and was a flop, not that made it any less exciting - for me anyway.) A small point of self-respect: David and I remained friends for many years. In my moves I lost track of that vulnerable fellow, pity Google couldn’t help me find him again.

I can’t trace my mind’s insides clearly enough: was it coincidence or a fluke that David embodied what evolved into my theoretically ideal sexual partner: 5’8” (perfect height for holding in the lap), pale, a very sweet and kind, stereotypically nelly gay boy of the early 70s. Um … well I really like very tall, very thin guys as well. I guess my fascination most easily fixates on the extremes.

David took the initiative as would boy number two, a small boned, probably illegally young little queen. He was pale blonde sissyboy who was very aggressive sexually. It formed my pattern: I never approached anybody. They had to (in a couple of cases literally) jump into my lap. (Number two was a failure as well: one of his roommates amused himself by throwing ice on my back. Happily that didn’t continue.)

To divagate for a moment: before I met either of them I saw a guy wearing eyeliner in Atlanta’s Piedmont Park. I didn’t speak to him. But I was stunned by a jolt that went directly to my cock. There wasn’t precedent, at least to my memory. It was as if the young man with just a touch of makeup had appeared from outside my imaginings. A moment of almost painful erotic surprise.

Back then a certain wild eyed boy from freecloud was my erotic ideal. Androgyny was fashionable in the 1970s. Glam rockers with bogus bisexuality were popular for a time. Probably why in my dreams the ideal nelly gay boy has an English accent.

Not approaching other boys wasn’t a sign of massive confidence in my studly desirability. I was timid shit. I was never convinced of my own attractiveness. With a red face I’ll confess there was a very brief time in my days of virginity that I wondered if my penis was big enough. I’d never thought about my penis before except for the trite adolescent curiosity about finding a more interesting way to manipulate it in privacy. Fucking the couch cushions, say. (Measurements long since removed from my website.)

I could say it was an instance of the power of buried cultural imagery. But that is easy glib nonsense. I think it was just the talk of the first gay men I met in Savannah. The kind of queers of the time who rode around cruising and pointed out a man they’d readily sleep with if he were available but dismissed as “all meat and no potatoes.” Probably the sour species is still about; thankfully I haven’t met any in years.

Not all of the guys that I slept with were nelly. If you were nice looking and said “wanna trick” I was yours. Somehow none of the guys were either big or hairy. (OK, maybe three weren’t feminine. Almost all of them were young enough to get me tossed into prison. I - a teenage pedophile - was probably filtering people out without knowing that I was sending silent messages.)

In the almost vanished parlance of the time I was “butch” and almost all of them were “fem.” As gay men become visibly indistinguishable from hets they’ve divided themselves into tops and bottoms. Having been forcibly fucked by a couple of femme guys the idiom did and does seem silly. (Which is unfair: even for gay men what you can do with your body is subject to conditioning you can’t control. ‘Even for gay men’ doesn’t make huge since, otherwise we’d all be pansexual.)

There was one hirsute bodybuilder who wanted to sleep with me and I with him. He had an incorrigible honesty that reminded me much of Victor. (Victor was butch for sure and John’s femininity varied from just barely to extremely so depending on how high he was.) A testimony to the sex appeal of personality. Sadly the logistics never worked out.

But! For a short time I did have limp wrists. I think this was John’s influence. A sort of gay socialization. Probably many “Oh Marys!” originate in something like that. It fell away after maybe a couple of weeks. It didn’t fit. Nietzsche’s one must give style to one character is something I’ve always felt was true for most of us. I’ve never been able to work up patter or a persona that doesn’t harmonize fairly closely with I see really going on in my psyche. So my wrists returned to the horizontal.

Trying to rein myself back to my intended theme: from the drunken writer to the boy who’s great beauty frightened me the gay guys I’ve fucked, caressed, loved have never been ‘manly.’

I’ve sometimes wondered if I became a lover of nelly gay guys because they made themselves available to me. If it had been the heterosexualist homosexuals of nowadays would my sexuality become like those of the characters of Queer as folk. That my eighteen old self was transfixed and remembers a boy in eyeliner this many years later is an answer of sorts.

Somewhere in City of Night John Rechy says no one can make you feel more masculine than a drag queen. I didn’t associate with any. But it struck a powerful resonance with me when I read it. Probably also a superpower of feminine gay men.

Working for Atlanta’s gay newspaper, the forgotten Atlanta Barb, kept me mixing with people more than I ordinarily would. When I left the paper I was at loss for soft bottoms. I’d never liked gay bars and didn’t intend to start going to them. So I ran my first personal ad.

“Androgynous/masculine seeks androgynous/feminine.” If I didn’t remember that personal ad I wouldn’t be sure that I consciously knew that I liked feminine gay guys. The best answer I received proved to be from somebody I knew. (A guy who said he was Marcel DuChamp’s last lover, Rose Selavy (which was Duchamp’s own name for himself.) He made a pretty guy in a dress, no wig, and no makeup (for me, the most lovely kind). We had a good laugh. Years later we met again when I was living with a woman. We had more respect for each other than (nothing to do with this narrative.) I think we could’ve been sexually interested in each other. But I was living with someone.

I moved to San Francisco. Gay sex was easily had in the 70s, nowhere more than in San Francisco. I found myself saying no to indignant men with moustaches. The “Castro clone” look: short hair, facial hair was in vogue. Tall, dark curly hair, army boots, flannel, jeans I was a stereotype of the desirable gay man in San Francisco in the 1970s. While I would find myself in bed with a torturingly lovely femme guy my sexual activity actually declined. (Every single gay man I do remember sleeping with back then was fem. I wasn’t sure whether straight acting guy was going break down in tears or to try to kill me when I turned him down.)

I’d often had fantasies of sleeping with a classical hermaphrodite: woman’s breasts, man’s penis. I answered a personal ad in The Advocate (a tabloid back then with thousands of personals). The voice that answered was ugly and said I’d have to make a donation. I was ignorant of transsexuals’ economic needs. Maybe if my understanding had been evolved enough I would’ve decided to make that contribution. Not wanting to pay for sex I slammed the phone down and dismissed personal ads as a bad idea.

That I said “androgynous/masculine” in the personal ad back in Atlanta surprises me almost every time I recall it. Masculine wasn’t ordinarily a word I’d apply to myself (I’d have treasured the remark by the guy who told me I had ‘feminine consciousness’ if I’d felt he’s said it for any reason other than my giving him some cigarettes.) It would only be after a bunch of therapeutic Live Journal entries that I would finally accept masculine as a reasonable description of myself. I preferred to hem and haw with ‘conventional acting’ as though that was somehow better. I’m masculine, I guess. Doesn’t mean a sissy can’t get me where he wants me or put me in my place.

I lived with a very womanly but not feminine woman for several years. A long stretch followed when I was sexless, asexual - hard to say what. I simply didn’t think about it. Say, I’d been so deeply hurt that ideas of love and sex died.

Years later sex again came alive to me. This web site took its first form. An early page contained a short page speaking of my love for ‘soft boys. Baldly: I knew what I liked and knew what I wanted. (Not that I could think of it is such graceless terms.)

During the years when I was dead to the ideas of love and sex I didn’t fail to notice the pretty lads who came into Books Do Furnish A Room. There were plenty of handsome enough boys. But only three are alive in my memories. All were gracefully swishy. Two had ponytails, one lives a couple of blocks away (and I was foolish enough to tell Charles this - but that was before we became involved).

Trivial instances but I find myself drawn to those minor moments. And this was meant to be my celebration of feminine gay guys. Really it is about me but this kind of personal truth is necessarily autobiographical. That I might seen see dozens of nice looking young fellows and that only a tiny remainder lives on my mind is another unequivocal summation.

Looking for love on the web, I became a regular in a number of Yahoo clubs (since replaced with Groups). Mostly they were unsatisfactory. It was about this time my sexuality evolved to include classes of people I never thought of as potentially attractive, for example, gay transvestites.

The Yahoo Clubs had many flaws and faults. (Like the Yahoo members themselves who would IM without reading your profile or their with perceptions so distorted by their own lusts they couldn’t grasp the profile even if they read it.) The clubs for feminine gay men were often dead or involved in unhappy role-playing or filled with people whose idea of male femininity consisted of wearing women’s panties. Ignoring the (ahem) straight crossdressers who wanted to meet for what they called a date many of the crossdressing clubs were filled with guys who wanted to be slapped and called bitch. Nothing wrong with that, really, but it wasn’t what I wanted as the primary focus of a potential romantic entanglement. I did have a good time in one club and was worth it for my friendship with one inestimable person who crosdresses.

I did meet some nice feminine guys online. Annoyingly most of them were hundreds of miles away. Chatting was my idea of a heavy chore but I would sometimes chat with a few of them; they seemed so happy to find acceptance even at a distance.

One day I got an IM on AOL one day from a nice fellow. He gave me his phone number. And the night I called him I heard the voice of a Southern nelly guy. To many people it is a familiar sound, to some an annoying one. I was, as they say, enchanted. I didn’t care what he looked like. I had to meet him. Charles and I live together now.

Now there’s any easy place to stop. But I won’t.

Right after I met Charles, I said to Gordon that I’d “forgotten how someone like that can make me feel.” Our life together is built on more than my initial delirium. But it was as if I’d been injected with something confusing and powerful.

How did I wind up with this particular sexual crochet? In the two and a half years of my Live Journal I’ve all but described unmasculine gay men as demigods: above and outside gender.

OK, that is bullshit. Many are male bitches, unhappy, unable to get along with people, dwindling into small groups that find fault with everybody else. I’ve been as annoyed by and angry with some of them as the modern conventional homo (straight people - sorry - well, if you folks are uncomfortable, get over it).

In the old days they were the ‘funny boys’ who confused and disappointed their father. Who didn’t fit it. They became aloof and sarcastic to survive. Others shrunk into themselves and died feeling wholly alone.

The above is still true. Except that many in the gay subculture reject them because they are disgraceful, even humiliating. They make the conventional 21st century queer uncomfortable - they might embarrass him in front of his straight friends. They tell the majority that nasty thing they think about queers is true.

I’ll posit that my adoration of feminine men is a rejection of my daddy. Big Mack was tall, handsome, tough enough for a knife fight in a bar and physically strong, what regurgitatitors of pop psych crap call an alpha male. Little Richard grew up terrified of this man. I didn’t want to be like the old bastard. Maybe that is why I grew up with much of my momma’s nature, maybe it was because I spent much more time with her.

Useless speculation at this point. I never wanted to be a girl. I’ve never had a touch of even playful femininity. Mostly I’ve felt ungendered. Well, except for the special range of feelings a feminine guy can evoke in me.

A nelly gay guy can make me want to turn back flips, dance in the street. A limp wrist makes me limp. A sissyboy can make me feel more alive, sexy, capable, and happy. A gentle, soft, sweet femme guy can play me like a keyboard; make me dance like a puppet.

That sounds foolish doesn’t it? But many people seek that helpless delight. They hope to get it from God, the negations of Asian theology, drugs, self-improvement seminars.

I think I’ve taken this about as far as I can. My original intent was to write a page that any feminine gay man might run across and find affirmation. I got a bit swept up in myself.

I was torn writing this. There’ve been strong temptations to surgical self-analysis, to wander off into intentionally ironic self-mockery. There are chunks of that. I could’ve been more clinically analytical of myself. This entry could’ve used a heaping helping of irony. I’d really rather have written a stretch of celebratory paragraphs. I don’t have a talent for lyricism. Praise is more risky than self-exploration (this is an age where self analysis is thought to be nobler than naked giddy joy).

Redundancy rears it’s ugly self.

If you run across this page and you are one of those special gay men who lives above, outside or trapped by gender color and found any pleasure or comfort I’d be a happier man if you would tell me. My love and devotion.

Read my lips and they will tell you
Enough is enough is enough is enough

- Jimmy Somerville

This page is dedicated to Marc Almond’s Open All Night, for me the most erotically enthralling CD I’ve ever heard.

* · But I did know on some level or I’d’ve come out to my daddy. ·

** Discovering that I’m gay. Then Telling almost everybody.

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Hello Jimmy, I’m Matthew Scott, 24 years old. And yes, I’m one of those “feminine gay guys.” Mostly to my own joy, although the world at large doesn’t seem to really appreciate my presence all that much … or at least, that’s how I feel. :(

Anyway, you requested that someone, like you described, like me, write you to let you know if that someone had gotten anything out of what you had just written. And, you know, I really did get something. A lot, actually. The word you used was affirmation.

Roaming the internet and using “feminine guys” as a keyword, just to see if there was anything about anyone out there like me, 90% of what I retrieved was negative, from either straight guys or gay guys … the positives seemed mostly from straight women in some form or another! Anyway, it’s nice to hear that there are some men out there who don’t mind a little swish here or a little flick of the wrist there. It makes me feel just a little less alone :) Anway, thank you again for your beatiful piece of writing.

Sincerely,

Matthew Scott

Hello Matthew:

When I first came out there wasn’t all the hostility from other gay men. The side affection the limited gay acceptance of the last several years is has been a fear of being embarassed by ‘drama queens.’ There are a few ‘fem boy’ chasers out there. Too often confused bisexual men. I know a few guys who’ve made their peace with that. You fellows have always softened my heart.

Straight women who like feminine men have been around since Bowie’s early days. Some are nice, some are sexually attracted to gay men and it can get really messy. I think goth has made makeup and pretty clothes more acceptable for younger women.

I’ll really glad that you both found the page and took the time to write. You are the first person aside from my friends on http://www.livejournal.com who has written me. The Live Journal guys have been watching me try to come up with the right way to tell my story for a couple of years. Nice to hear from somebody who doesn’t sort of know me.

I hope you’ll always feel free to remain true to yourself and that you’ll find someone or many (depending on your preference) who accept you for who you are. It isn’t easy being different (as gay men should know).

Thanks for writting, Richard

It is encouraging and inspiring to read the words of fem. boys and the men who adore them. But what i have noticed in this American culture/society is the normalization of hyper-masulinity, and the, almost, phobia of the feminine mytique. Ask yourself, why do butch girls have it so much easier than sissy boys? Why are there more open high-profile lesbian lovers than gay ones? Why? Because, after all these years of gender equality struggle—men still rule America, (and most of the world). To men, lesbians aren’t as much of a threat, nor are masculine women, than gays or feminine men. It is that masculine notion engrained in our (sub)-psyche since our childhood that has projected itself onto even the gay media. But things will change once people like us become more aware of this inequality, and do something about it. (Wish me luck with my movie regarding this topic:). Kyle, New York

American culture/society is the normalization of hyper- masulinity, and the, almost, phobia of the feminine mytique.

While there must be contemporary societies without the masculine ethos my impression it is the norm and always has been. Probably evolutionary psychology: aggressive primates got mates and food. In the societies that followed military ability was often the supreme virtue.

Now that is an unnecessary, sometimes ugly legacy.

Ask yourself, why do butch girls have it so much easier than sissy boys?

To the degree that is true I suspect it is because feminine males make ordinary males feel as if their own masculinity is threatened. Particularly gay men who feel something akin to guilt by association.

It is that masculine notion engrained in our (sub)-psyche since our childhood that has projected itself onto even the gay media.

Most gay men find extreme ‘butchness’ sexually appealing. More so than most straight women. I’ve sometimes suspected that gay men have unknowingly absorbed all the old stereotypes that men think women find attractive.

But things will change once people like us become more aware of this inequality, and do something about it.

I was surprised when Sissyphobia was published. Don’t know how much of an impact the book had.

(Wish me luck with my movie regarding this topic:).

Hope you’ll let me know when it comes out.

Richard

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I really appreciated your piece on nelly gay men. I’m one of what seems to be very few gay folks who are attracted to effeminate gay guys like the stereotypical “queens” similar to the men in “Boys in the Band”. I really felt out-of-step with the gay world when I came out in the 1980s as that type of look/type of gay sexuality was not in vogue (and still doesn’t seem to be). “Straight acting/straight appearing” was such a forgein concept; I was always more interested in “non-straight-acting”. Anyway, thanks so much for posting your thoughts on this as I don’t feel so alone in my interests.

I came out in the early 70s when being swishy was still OK. It was in the late 70s that the short hair, unshaven look first became popular. I think it may have first emerged in San Francisco where it was known as the Castro Clone look. I was out of touch with all things gay for several years. When I started using the web to date guys it was a surprise to find fey gays so rare and to be damned for my own preference by sissyphobic gay men.

Luckily I did meet an old fashioned southern nelly guy and we hit it off and share a house.

/\ I too am a statistik of sissyphobik gay guys’ slurs. Oh, I am a Christian Scientist

It really is nice to see someone that appreciates those of us that can be ourselves and not submit to some stereotypical bullshit of what men should be. I find that “nelly” men can be very attractive as well as being much better, or should I say, truer friends than those pretend butch guys that will not even speak to you in public when they have their other more masculine friends around.

oh jimmy - thank you SO much for the above. im a fem but not nelly (if that makes sense) southern gay male who has just been rejected by a very sexy handsome masculine man and im feeling SO very unlovable (again). i came online to hopefully find some/any morsel of validation and appreciation from some quarter in the world. im so happy to have come across your entry, and thank you so much for your candor and for risking so much by being simply straight-forward rather than ironic or sarcastic etc. i so miss and need a genuine, deep, affectionate connection with a man and im so very sad and disappointed by the ending of this short affair. just brings up those original and long repeated rejections by family, neighbors, and peers and rekindles those ever-smoldering embers of hatred and rejection that, perhaps thru grace alone, i can sometimes forget ever happened. thank you for being attracted to me/us.

bruce

It was Southern fem gay guys who taught me how wonderful sex and affection can be.

The end of a love affair hurts whether you a feminine or masculine. There will be other men who will appreciate you. Not that the wait won’t be painful.

Regardless of what conventional people may think of you there are those of us who will never think you a freak and will always see you as lovelier than the ordinary people.

A view i can undestand. iIwas only with women for 28 years or so. But when i crossed the line, it was as clear as a summer sunrise that it was the “girly boys” that made me hard. The more so the better. In fact, i can recall that i found some of he more “tom boy ” type girls very sexually interestng before the move to men. As I thought about this, I found tht the sence of doninent sexuality was a very powerful drive inside of me and I fell that most strongly when I was naked with a thin sleek nelly guy. Never a question of active or passive but of takeing what i wanted because i could and because my partner wanted me to so very much.

I am a mixture of butch acting but I have long blond hair and long nails sometimes out to my finger and thumb tips and no facial hair. I sometimes wore panties for the men who wanted me to. That is my extent of being nelly. It worked for me, increasing my scoring of meat by about 10% and since long hair was about the norm in the seventies and long nails (meaning with the dead white on the ends) have been one fem attribute accepted on men for ages, I had few if any taunts but I did get a lot of studs who often put it to both ends of me. Men ranging from geeks and nerds (the kind who got sand kicked in their faces at the beach) to bodybuilders, truckers, ditch-diggers and other manly men all put the hot beef to me and filled me with meat, cum, sometines some headcheese, and love. 0nly a handful dissed me, from ranking me for being a queer to a couple who spit in my face and only one succeeded in beating me up (I beat up the other one who tried to beat me up).

Have any of you nelly gays heard of gay deities?

Not as such. Some ancient gods and goddesses had sexual attributes unavailable in real life - though you never know where biotechnology might take us and far outside the dull norms of American sexuality.

i find it funny how you label the bad fem guys.This is part what you say..”Many are male bitches, unhappy, unable to get along with people, dwindling into small groups that find fault with everybody else. I’ve been as annoyed by and angry with some of them as the modern conventional homo (straight people - sorry - well, if you folks are uncomfortable, get over it).

In the old days they were the ‘funny boys’ who confused and disappointed their father. Who didn’t fit it. They became aloof and sarcastic to survive. Others shrunk into themselves and died feeling wholly alone”. Ever stop to think why they became this way.. Well i guess after years of being treated like shit like the lowest thing on earth you would become a bitch unhappy…unable to get along with people ..especially when they are treating you like shit for existing. And judging you on everything you do even when you are quiet and as you say ALOOF.

Being basically abused causes a person to become quiet and aloof and sarcastic( even though it causes some to become loud and rude..even though people have been being rude to them for a long time) and the prospect of dying alone for being fem is quite sad in itself. But being a fem you can;t do anything right if you become quiet and keep to yourself you are wrong for that and if you become loud and evil because thats just what has come your way by how people treat you, you are wrong for that too. I guess the only way out is suicide.

I’m sorry if you thought I meant the bad or evil. Having been in love with a few of them I have some idea of what they went through growing up.

Its not just what they went through growing up its what alot of them including myself still go through as a adult

My last male lover – we lived together for five years – was the kind of guy that made Emmett on Queer as folk look butch. Thankfully he was able to live in such a way where he was around people – almost exclusively heterosexual – who didn’t give a damn.

We talked on the phone before we ever met. He had the stereotypical vocal manner of a southern nelly gay man. That alone made me want to meet him without any concern about what he might look like.

After we’d been together for a few years he once told me that he wished he were more masculine. This shocked me because he’d always seemed too proud to give a damn about other people’s reactions. And it caused a guilty conflict within me: it was his lyrical male femininity that drew me to him.

For the little straight girl over here… Could you explain what “nelly” means? I get that it’s a more feminine version, but I’m still a little confused.

This whole thing was lovely though. 95% of the time that I read your blogs I learn something so completely new.

Mostly just a barely remembered bit of gay slang for femme guys. For me personally in is rich in tenderness and warmth.

How do you feel?

Feel free to share your feelings about Nelly gay guys (and the history of my love for them). Please stick to the theme of the entry. Disagreement is fine. Homophobia, racism, and kindred expressions of hatred will be deleted. This site is one of my hobbies. I genuinely enjoy hearing from people and hate moderating or killing comments. Forthright disagreement is fine as long as it is civil.
My thanks,
Richard

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