Vatican II: Jewish-Masonic conspiracy

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Back in the mid-60s the Roman Catholic Church made a few gestures toward modernity and relevance. Collectively the small reforms are known as Second Vatican Council. I remember reading of the dismay many older Catholics when rites and funerals were conducted in a language they could understand. That priests had hitherto been conducting mass with their back to their parishioners has always - don't know why - struck me as funny. It was even allowed that Protestants might be able to get into heaven. Most importantly the church abandoned centuries of anti-Semitic "Christ Killer" rhetoric.

Unsurprisingly some conservative Catholics think that was all the work of the Devil. Called traditionalist Catholics, they are the equivalent of the far right Baptists cranks. Mel Gibson may be one of them, he won't say.

There are no such ambiguities surrounding the affiliation of the actor's father, Hutton Gibson, who told The New York Times Magazine for a March article that the council was "a Masonic plot backed by the Jews." ...

The movement is as diverse as the many splinter groups it has generated, from moderates who maintain some contact with the Vatican to the more militant who rejected outright the authority of the late Pope John XXIII -- who convened the council -- and every pope elected thereafter.

There is another, even more extreme faction that believes the council was a conspiracy between Jews and Masons to destroy the church. Some go as far as considering all the popes elected since that meeting "precursors to the anti-Christ," according to Michael Cuneo, a Fordham University sociologist who wrote "The Smoke of Satan," a book on traditionalists.

Ultraconservative sect worhips without changes imposed by Second Vatican Council

Richard Evans Lee • December 26, 2003 • Reader, what do you think?
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1 · Posted by: Eli Sarver on December 26, 2003 10:57 AM

Of course it was a masonic plot! It was the Illuminati! Don’t you see? Pope John Paul the 23rd(fnord)?

Conspiracies are fun :)

A conservative is one who stays the same despite the changes in the world. Old-fashioned doesn’t even begin to cover it.


2 · Posted by: Richard on December 26, 2003 03:09 PM

There’ve been some decent conservatives, though they seem to have become a vanishing species in the days of Rush Limbaugh.

I do wish someone could put a gun to Mel Gibson’s head and force him to admit whether he thinks his father is right or a crazed crank.


3 · Elsewhere: Komma Punt Log - briljant en bescheiden Feb 28, 2004 1:07 PM
Dat is niet mijn bewering, maar van Mel Gibson. En dat is toch een oerconservatieve born-again christian. Nou is hij...
Read more in God bestaat niet

4 · Elsewhere: Komma Punt Log - briljant en bescheiden Feb 29, 2004 2:08 PM
Dat is niet mijn bewering, maar die van Mel Gibson. En dat is toch een oerconservatieve born-again christian. Nou is...
Read more in God bestaat niet

5 · Posted by: Davidg on July 13, 2004 10:29 AM

I was raised a Catholic, left and joined the Episcopal Church as the Catholic Church always seemed to leave me saying “yes, they (the Pope) says this, but what he means is …”. I am now also a very active Freemason.
I feel that the principles of Masonry have deepened my faith. It is meant to make us better men by using two very important gifts given to us by our Creator, reason, and imagination.


6 · Posted by: Philadelphia Eagles on July 21, 2004 09:44 AM

I’m a Catholic and I don’t like Vatican II. Nobody outside of the Catholic Church can go to Heaven. See the apologetics on:

http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/protestant.htm


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