Atheist nitwits

They aren't atheists. They are Raelians. They just use aliens in the place of gods and think it's an atheist viewpoint. They want to appear rational, but they are obviously not.

Psychologically, yes. But if they aren't invoking a conscious First Cause or designer then they have a right to call themselves atheists.

I do deeply resent them polluting the word since ignorant Christians are apt to take advantage of it.

The whole press release was so badly written there's not much point in trying to parse it.

“Raelians want to appear rational”. “Ignorant Christians”. Boy you are smart. I guess everybody with an alternate viewpoint is just an idiot. You must be God. Of course you wouldn't beleive in yourself and that could get confusing.

I can't speak for the Raelians because I'm not familiar with thier viewpoint but the concept of life on other planets and even life being “planted” here by life elsewhere in the universe certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Belief in a creator is rational also. It is easy to see there is great conformity in the structure of the universe. Gravity, the speed of light, time, ect. All things act and react based on unbreakable and completely consistent laws.

The Earth circling the Sun at exactly the right distance and its size, density, and composition being perfect for supporting life.

I'm not going to call you ignorant or accuse you of trying to appear rational but it seems to me less likely the universe WOULD or could have spontaneously generated itself from nothing. It is also just as unlikely that life WOULD or could have spontaneously generated itself from inanimate matter.

What I'm trying to say is maybey your viewpoint is just as “ignorant” (based on lack of knowlege) as the other people you like to slander.

Believer on December 17, 2003 writes: “Belief in a creator is rational also.”
I don’t think so. There is NO evidence that a creator (i.e. a supernatural being with the powers to control the universe) exists. If it did, it would need tits own explanation. Believers always evade the question “Who created God?” because they know they have no good answer.

You write; “It is easy to see there is great conformity in the structure of the universe….. perfect for supporting life.”
None of the above leads to or supports a conclusion that a supernatural being created it or exists!

You write: “…it seems to me less likely the universe WOULD or could have spontaneously generated itself from nothing. It is also just as unlikely that life WOULD or could have spontaneously generated itself from inanimate matter.”
This is absurd. You accept that a supernatural being could have created the universe using magic, but somehow you seem it’s less rational that life is an emergent property of matter? The universe did NOT spontaneously generate out of nothing. This is a flawed conception. The current universe probably originated preexisting energy/matter. We don’t understand the processes yet, but some day we may. Don’t be stupid!… Life did not “SPONTANEOUSLY generate out of nothing.” It took millions of years and a lot of chemistry and selective forces.
It’s one thing to have an open mind, another to be so open that your brains fall out.

Hello Samuel,

I am not trying to discredit your beliefs on the subject. I'm trying to say that either viewpoint is unprovable. You are just as likely to be unable to disprove the existance of God as I or anybody else could prove it.

The point is believing in the existance of a creator is not stupid or foolish. No more so than not believing in one. My examples were intended to give in brief a reasonable rational for an opposing viewpoint. If any viewpoint other than yours is “absurd” then you must be endowed with knowlege beyond any other living person.

Hello Samuel,

Sorry, I just thought of another illustration. It's simplistic but to the point and no more simplistic that using the term “magic” to describe the creation of a being that is beyond our comprehension.

If you walk into a field and the field is strewn with rocks then it is a stretch to say that somebody placed these rocks here.

If you walk into a field and the rocks are constructed into a domicile then it is reasonable to assume somebody constructed the domicile.

As to who created the domicile is a matter of speculation. Theres no reason to think it was constructed by magic. It was constructed by somebody who had the knowlege, skill, resources, and ability to create it.

I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong. Only to suggest that it's entirely possible. We humans are clever. Our understanding of the physical world gets better all the time but we should not be so proud as to assume we have all the answers.

“The current universe probably originated preexisting energy/matter”. The key operational term here is probobly. It is purely speculation. It could very well be a flawed conception.

“We don’t understand the processes yet, but some day we may. Don’t be stupid!”. An admission that we don't understand and a warning not to be stupid right next to each other.

I prefer to believe in the existence of God largely because I view it as the more positive outlook. Thats my choice. I'm not going to go so far as to say I'm right and you're stupid for not sharing my view.

“Believers always evade the question “Who created God?””. I don't think believers avoid the question. I don't think they intend to try to answer it. This would assume that time as we understand it would apply to God. He must have a beginning and an end. I doubt you would apply this same kind of limitation to scientific explanations.

What is time? Is it a dimesional effect caused by the warping of one dimensional space caused by the presence of three dimensional matter? How would this apply to God?

“None of the above leads to or supports a conclusion that a supernatural being created it or exists!”. I believe it does. Complex structure and organisation suggest intellegent design.

“millions of years and a lot of chemistry and selective forces”. That seems to suggest if I leave my messy computer room unattended for millions of years it will eventually clean and organize itself. If I took a bag of marbles and dumped them on the floor and applied random forces to them like say static electricity or wind or whatever would they eventually arrange themselves into a complex helix pattern and eventually evolve into a life form. That just doesn't seem more likely than the existence of God.

I'm not trying to suggest that I have the answers to the big questions. I'm just saying that you shouldn't completely limit your options to your science class text book. Have an open mind and take the chance that you're brain might fall out. I'll bet you it doesn't but random forces might reorganize it into a rubics cube!

Why do people try and convert one an other? In the end I don't think it really makes a difference, and while we're all here, it just pisses people off. Hell, politics is more relavent than religion, becasue religion dosen't matter till you're fucking dead!

Well said Rowlf but politics tends to be about trying to convert one another too. I enjoy both topics but try to be a good listener as well as putting forth my own ideas. I may not always agree but I would never insult anybody elses opinion. There is no useful exchange of ideas when people resort to name calling.

Politics gets even more interesting than religion because I believe that politicians and/or parties take opposing sides on every arguement not because they believe in the positions. They do it to motivate voters to the booth.

Politics is all about power, money, and payoffs. What they really care about is scoring the big prize. I especially feel this way after working for a polititian for three years. I got to see his gaggle of “overly close women friends” running his office. Not because they were qualified. They were blatantly unqualified with work histories like running a ferris wheel at an amusement park or no work history and no schooling at all.

I am grateful to this politician as I benefited from this system as well but I can tell you that I do not feel these people are good stewards of the publics money. I worked side by side with four other individuals that had the same job title as myself and earned the same income but they did no work. They were not even good for box carrying. If you asked them to help they showed you thier middle finger. They could get away with this because they were part of the payoff system.

The stories go on and on and I won't bore you with any more. A good public example of this point is the current struggle for the democratic presidential nomination. If you listen to these guys none of them are qualified for the job. They dump on each other as much as they do the opposing party.

I don't think these guys believe in anything. Look at Gen Clarke. When he was kissing brass ass he thought the war was the greatest thing in history. Now that he's kissing donkey ass it's the worst. When was he lying and when was he telling the truth?

All these “social” issues that keep comming up are so devisive. All they care about is the money machine but they will rub these issues in everybodys face getting people totally ticked off at one another.

I for one am tired of it. The next candidate I vote for is going to be Jeff the accountant who has never run for office before. It is true that he will not have the political clout these other guys have from all thier back room deals. If more people would see past the smoke screen then maybey Jeff wouldn't be in the minority!

They talk about taking the country back. Take it back for who? For the conservatives? For the Liberals? No, for the wealthy and powerful regardless of which side you vote for.

When we vote we are deciding who is going to control the unbelievably vast amount of wealth and power that rests in our government but we are more concerned with things like whether or not women should be allow to have memberships at mens clubs!

If the issue is about minorities or gays or abortion or whatever then be ready to heed the cattle call. Get into your neatly organized box of voter demographics! Moo…

You would think these two parties would agree on something. With all the political issues that are discussed you would think there would be some common ground. Some spirit of cooperation to be mutually beneficial to each other at some point. How can they be at completely opposite ends of absolutely every subject.

I believe its intentional with malice of forethought!

Whew, sorry, I got a little carried away with that one.

Good talking to you.