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Members are not allowed to have televisions or radios and they are forbidden from using the internet, because the book of Revelation tells them that the devil is "the prince with the power of the air".

Secretive sect softens ban on outside contact

Richard Evans Lee
March 16, 2003 •
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I Belong to the gospel hall. I recently had this friend that has gone back to his church and becuses of this he can not see me anymore becuses that is what his church believes no outsider, only people in his church I want to tell you that meny a familly is broken up becuses some are in churches of the plymouth brethern that when there in that church they cant see anyone outside of that church ill never see my friend again less he leaves his church,becuses of what they believe.I think this teaching is so wrong #1 How do you tell people about the gospel if you never see anyone outside of your church??????????????? #2 My friend is born again and so iam ,So why cant we see each other??????????????? Listen to this I WOULD JOIN MY FRIENDS CHURCH ONLY LISTEN ILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SEE MY PARENT AGAIN ,BECUSES THEY DONT BELONG TO THAT CHURCH THIS IS WHAT THAT CHURCH HE IS AT TEACHES but my parents are saved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope one day GOD shows you all that what that verse means (do not be partakers of this world)dosent mean dont see them duh So much for our friendsship me and my friend that has gone back to his church till he leaves that church we cant see each other again,So meny famillies broke up by this (grandparent cant see grand children) kids cant see parents) Jesus walked on earth he seen unsaved everyday CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHERE IN THE BIBLE THIS IS TEACHED this is so worng youll find out from god to one day

Posted by: tom | June 1, 2003 6:23 PM

I was brought up in the Exclusive Brethren religion. In 1970, their leader James Taylor was caught in bed with someone else's wife and this caused a storm referred to as the "Aberdeen Incident". I managed to break free of the religion at that time. To this day my family have had nothing to do with me. I was lucky - I got out when I was 16 and had nothing to lose. Older people have everything to lose. I have never wished to get involved in anyone else's religion. One thing I know: I shan't be going to heaven when I die. Mention the words "Saviour", "Holy Spirit", or "Satan" and I think I'd be physically sick! Frikkie Regards to you all, Frikkie

Posted by: Frikkie | March 18, 2004 5:58 AM

I am Erica Allen (nee Evershed). My friend Carolyn Weller would like to contact her friend Helen Hopwood who married in 1975. Helen has twins (boy & girl) who would be in their 20s. Helen lived in Frinton at one time. If you are Helen, or know her, please email me at erica.allen@virgin.net. Carolyn left the exclusives in 1974.

Posted by: carolyn | March 18, 2004 10:08 PM

TOday I discovered the Exclusive Brethren religion for the first time from a very distressed and abused patient who was in my care. After hearing of the lifestyle all I can say is it is psychological abuse at it's worst. Socially cutting off people from family and friends, clubs and memberships is a form of control and power and should not be hidden behind the excuse of religion or culture. I have to wonder why so many godfearing followers are so incredibly cruel to their fellow man? From paedophile catholics to these abusive Exclusive Brethren, I cannot understand how they achieve the following they do. ANother thing that astounded me was the wealth that flows through this organisation. How can they refuse technology yet own and run such successfull international businesses??? Jo

Posted by: jo | March 31, 2004 5:22 AM

I was brought up exclusive brethren. At 16 my mother and I left my father and the church. I had two other brothers and a sister. My mother chose not to take the other siblings with her beause she did not know how we were to survive. She did not know about social security, housing commission or legal aide. She was terrified of being struck down dead. Her marriage was arranged by John Hales in 1965. She did not know her husband to be. At 18 she was told she had 1 night to decide to marry or not. If not her parents would be ostrosized. She was an only child. To Jo. Thank you for trying to help that person. They are so successful because the wider business community thinks that they are "good Christians" looking after their families. They recruit those who have left by bribing them, offering to purchase houses, cars ,give them jobs and then say "See , you cant survive in the "World". In fact they badmouth and slander those who leave and manage to make a go of their life to try and make it all come undone. My mother has no inheritance. Her parents signed it over to the church before they died. My father (who is still an exclusive brethren) is attempting to sabotage my brothers and sisters lives as they struggle to establish their careers. They went to university - they have committed a terrible sin- God will punish them!. This is what he says to them. I am anonymous as I have small children of my own and they are still pure in his eyes. If he could take them from me he would. My mother was the only person to leave and gain full custody of her children in australia. The judge said that this was not a religion, it was a cult.

Posted by: Kate | April 8, 2004 7:18 AM

I have seen the Exclusive Brethren in Melbourne and have had past dealings with them. They have a school at the site of their church and in it there is a large suspicious room called room 15, it has no windows and two large metal doors. I have never been in thier church but i have been around their school and church. I have seen them constructing their church where a few children fell off a fair height and an ambulance came but it was suttle with no sirens. I have spoken to them before and i believe they're strange and sort of manipulative.

Posted by: Chocko | May 12, 2004 9:27 PM

My mum was brought up in an exclusive brethren family. My grandparents got kicked out for reasons I'm not entirely sure and when my mum told the church elders or whatever they call themselves she was kicked out too. Up until last year she had no contact with most of her family and friends she had grown up with. Two of her siblings died but she wasn't told until after the funeral because otherwise, obviously, she would have gone to the funeral. Last year I came home from work to find my aunt and two cousins in the lounge. I found it very difficult to talk to them. They had ignored mum and our family for so long, how could they think they could just turn up and act like nothing had happened? My mum has spent a lot of time with psychologists trying to undo some of the damage the exclusive brethren has caused. I totally agree in that they are not a religion but a cult.

Posted by: lizzie | May 18, 2004 4:53 AM

I work for a family who is exclusive brethren. I think they are great people, but I don't believe that the spiritual elitism or social constrictions put on them harbor a healthy Christian (or otherwise) existence. I can see the struggle in the young adults as they grapple with the reality of being completely different from their peers. It is definately a life of confusion and hypocracy: in practice their strict rules are malliable to suit. Also, the use of fear, manipulation, and guilt to mold a specific life path of conformity seems unholy to me. Many of them are socially scarred and have trouble interacting normally with outsiders. I might add that with a marriage policy of isolationism, their gene pool is less than desirable as evidenced by the sheer number of disabled and deformed children in the church.

Posted by: Matt | May 20, 2004 11:18 PM

I left the Exclusive Brethren 4 years ago. For that I lost my children, my family, my wealth, my social circle and my whole way of life. In exchange, I received a freedom that is limited only by my own conscience and the grace of God. And I retain the best friend in the world, Jesus Christ. I am a musician and have recently completed a University degree. To you, Richard, I say that I have some gay friends and do not condemn you for that choice or for the fact that you deny the existence of God. I have learned at a high cost the value of accepting others. The Exclusive Brethren is a cult in my opinion, but there are people 'imprisoned' in that organisation whom I know and love. They are just like the other people you know. Some kind and generous; some hard and selfish. Let us not condemn others till we have walked a mile in their shoes. I have more cause to be bitter than most, but instead I have only love and compassion.

Posted by: Mark Humber | May 24, 2004 9:20 AM

I left the Exclusive Brethren 34 years ago when I was 16. My parents and family didn't want me because I wasn't "saved". But I found people who did. All these years later my family have contacted me. First of all my father, 5 years ago, then more recently my older sister. In turn they tried to speak to me as though nothing had happened. But they couldn't hide their dismay that I still wasn't "saved". But I didn't mince my words. I told them to bugger off with their saviour. Thank you, but no thank you! From a Former Saint

Posted by: Former Saint | June 15, 2004 12:45 PM

I too was raised in the EB cult but left with my family in 1970 aged 16. Currently, I am at the end of a Psychology degree and counselling diploma and intend to "convert" from engineering to counselling, specialising in those affected by domestic violence and religious damage - two issues that can be closely linked.

Posted by: Heynoj | July 21, 2004 11:30 AM

I think that the Exclusive Brethren is a good religion. But I think they've got it wrong with mobile phones. Mobile phones are OK so long as you don't use them, but microwave ovens are definitely out. I can't imagine Jesus having one. Greetings to all F E RAVEN

Posted by: F E Raven | July 30, 2004 8:59 AM

My mom spent almost 40 years in the Gospel Hall and we also know people that have come out of the EB. I could go on about incest, abuse of all forms and all that, but there is a deeper root to grab on to. We are so unknowingly in the middle of a spiritual war. My husband and I walked into a GH not too long ago, and he could sense the evil spirits of "control" and "religion". God doesn't want religion, he wants a relationship of love between man and God, a transformation of the heart. This will solve all of our "religious problems."

Posted by: S L | August 6, 2004 6:42 PM

I totally agree that the Exclusive Brethren are a cult. Moreover, I believe they are "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."(2 Corinthians 11:13-15)...God condemns them outright.

Posted by: Sword of God | August 8, 2004 3:52 AM

I am researching the Exclusive Brethren in Australia and am interested in talking to anyone who has left the Brethren and is based in Western Australia. If you have had dealings with this group please email me ; leeox220@hotmail.com Cheers Lee

Posted by: Lee | August 9, 2004 2:26 AM

Hi there everybody People don't join the Exclusive Brethren, they are born into it. I was born into it but managed to escape. I lost my family.

Posted by: Another Former Saint | August 15, 2004 3:41 PM

I am applying for a job in a school that is run by an EB group. My family and I are happily and openmindedly non - religious. Should I be worried about working for these people? - Will they try to convert us or brainwash my son?

Posted by: teacher | August 28, 2004 3:09 AM

Our neighbours are Exclusive Brethren. Why do they hate their neighbours so? I realise we have differences but they just can't seem to ignore us, is it because we have stuff that they don't have? And why do they all drive so badly? We have tried to be friendly and polite to them but don't bother anymore because of the abuse we have got from the teenage boys especially. I thought they would be a pleasant type of family to live next to, but they arejust awful people, they drink a whole lot more than we do (and strong liquor too), the language is shocking (I don't want my preschoolers hearing it), and they are terribly arrogant. I don't understand them so maybe that's the problem. Can anyone enlighten me>?

Posted by: MandyB | September 5, 2004 1:30 AM

I had never heard of the EB til I met my husband. Having had meetings with them, and having seen my husband deal with them - I must say I have no faith in their assembly. I have never met more judgemental people in my life. Individuals of their assembly have acted extremely anti-christian toward my family and I am struggling to cope with the arrogance of their beliefs. Please contact me if you can help.

Posted by: ariat | September 17, 2004 12:06 AM

The EB's are a very interverted people and want you to leave them alone. They will take any action necessary to keep you away from them. So if you are having trouble with them it's probably your fault. Like any other closeds society they like to keep to themselves. You can only be born into that world. You can't join it. They only come out of their world into your world and get what they want and retreat back to their world. I know quite a number of them and by and large most are very sweet people. Don't try to change them. You can't. And please don't try to join them, your far better off where you are. And you will retain a lot more of your hard earned money far yourself. And don't try to be friends with them they have no friends outside of their circle. Use your time more wisely on something else and forget them.

Posted by: Yosiah | September 18, 2004 7:20 AM

If you want to know more about the EB's go to Google search engine and type in Exclusive Brethren and you will find out everything you need to know about them.

Posted by: Yosiah | September 18, 2004 7:28 AM

I have contact with an Exclusive brethren family. I have to visit the house every weekday, twice a day. I can only speak from my experience but this family are one of the nicest families I have met. The children are the sweetest, considerate and most polite that I have come across. Which is all credit to them in this day and age. I have occasionally put my foot in my mouth and words come out that I don't mean to say, but I have appologised and they have been most accepting of my appology. I can only say that there must definitely be good and bad in all sorts of creeds.

Posted by: basketcase | September 29, 2004 5:55 PM

Basketcase, Your very correct when saying the Brethren are very polite as a family in their home and even sometimes in the public. But there are as you say some that are pistols in every group. To be going there twice a day it must be a medical reason. There is a case here in the town I live in here in Indiana that a nurse goes in a couple of times a day. The family is very polite and very nice. But apart from having needed involvment with their lives, they would prefer that you keep your distance. I know numerous Brethren families and like you have been in their home for business purposes but that as far as it will ever go. That society is closed to all outsiders except if your born into it thru natural childbirth. I've spent about two thousand hour in research into the Brethren Movement ( The open and the closed Brethren )they are a group similar to the Amish,Mennonite,German Baptist and numerous others including to me a twin sister to the Catholic Church. I find no fault with them because I will not let any group affect my life adversly. Yosiah

Posted by: Yosiah | September 30, 2004 6:13 AM

as having been in the exes and left you must understand that because you are born into it you dont know any better unless you start to think and look at what is happening around you more closely. so forgive them all for being arrogant inward looking etc.

Posted by: luke | October 13, 2004 1:54 PM

I work for a company that is owned and run by EB's. They made a point of telling me that they are "christians" when I went there for the job interview. Later I found out they were EB. and I find it sad that people like this can use Jesus name to cover up such vile practices as they do. I know I can safely say anything I like about them on here as they don't own computers or fax machines, although they will happily go across the road and uses someone elses fax (strange). I am a christian and I was born into a christian home, nevertheless I had to be born again to enter into a relationship with Jesus Christ and I don't think anyone who has never experienced that would understand it. The people I work for are nice people and they seem to keep to themselves as much as possible. I have heard a lot of nasty stories about the things that happen inside their "cult" and yet I would not like to judge them. I, as most people can by their fruits, see clearly, that there is something wrong here.I will, and I hope that you would also, continue to pray that the Living God would use me and others like me to show them and other people in my workplace that God is not about religion or denomination or doctrine, but it is possible for everyman woman and child to have the freedom in Christ and the wonderful relationship with Him that we were created for. This is my desire. in Jesus precious and beautiful yet Powerful and Awesome name :D

Posted by: Sam | November 10, 2004 1:59 AM

I find this entire page funny. The "exclusive brethren" aren't at all what you're making them out to be. First of all, the kind of exclusives you're talking about are referred to by most Plymouth Brethren as TAYLORITES or RAVENITES. We honestly don't believe that most of them are even Christian, but rather caught in a web of superstition. The reason they call us "exclusive" is because we refuse to have communion (breaking of bread.....Lord's supper) with anyone who is not a believer in Jesus. There's also "Open" brethren. They're more leniant on who they'll break bread with. Whatever the case, you guys have got it all wrong. The Plymouth Brethren (open or exclusive) are a lot like an average baptist. It's strange that you should mention child abuse and stuff. I guess that stuff may happen in the Taylorite sects. Most of the families I've met through the years have the tightest relationships any of you will ever see. Terribly happy kids and terribly happy parents. The kids get spanked when they're bad, but not beaten. We believe that the bible teaches it's bad for us to be angry when punishing our children. My dad used to spank me with a big ol' smile on his face. It may sound kind of wierd, but he's just a smiley guy. Smiled when his parents died, smiled when he went bankrupt....he'll smile no matter how many times you insult him to his face. Anyway, I obviously have a computer (and the internet) or I couldn't have written this to you. I own a TV. A few in fact. I have a DVD player, a VCR, some movies and CDs. Honestly, I've never heard the context you're using with the "Prince of the power of the air" quote in my entire life, and I don't think that quote comes from the book of Revelation, anyway. I think Paul wrote that in one of his Epistles. Some people at my assembly don't own TVs and stuff, but that's a matter of personal conscience. The bible tells us to not get tied down by worldly things. Materialism is one of those things. Plymouth Brethren used to be a lot more like Amish or Mennonites, but we kinda got soft over the years. Paul wrote, "I am free to all things, but all things are not profitable to me." Whatever. It's a matter of whether you think the temptation is too much or not. Myself, I mostly just read anyway. The TV and the computer are just for when I don't feel like reading or socializing. I can tell this site is coming from the perspective of so-called "skeptical cynics" and that most of you probably think Christians are all easily-fooled wastes of sperm and egg. I don't care though. You people seemed to not know the difference between Exclusive Plymouth Brethren and Taylorite/Ravenites, so I thought it my duty to tell you. The first post on this site talked of some weird things about the Taylorites. I've heard A LOT worse things over my lifetime. Gobs of incest. Suicide. A Taylorite isn't even supposed to park in the same driveway with someone who's not also a Taylorite. They can't eat at the same table with non-Taylorites. Can't make friends or even really speak to a non-Taylorite. I'm just telling you, the REAL Plymouth Brethren (who are nothing more than Christians trying to serve the Lord as best they can) are not like the Taylorites, who seem to miss the entire picture that Jesus came to give us. Have fun. Jesus forgives. Bye.

Posted by: John Nelson Darby | November 12, 2004 10:40 PM

And Yosiah, you haven't done any research into the so-called "Plymouth Brethren" movement. Gotta be born into it? Born again, maybe, but not physically born into it. I've known plenty who were evangelized into the Plymouth Brethren. We're not like that, man. In fact, a lot of the open assemblies have started cutting ties with the "Plymouth Brethren" heritage altogether because they see it as sectarian and Pharasaical. They're right too. I just don't think it's right to break bread with unbelievers. I think it's very important that we remember the Lord the way he told us to and without unbelievers in fellowship, just because Paul said some things that make me think that way (second half of Romans 11). This entire board should be under the "miseducation" section on this page. You people have got it all wrong. KaRazy!! Bye.

Posted by: JohnNelsonDarby | November 12, 2004 10:48 PM

Hi all, Thanks for clearing that up JND. It seems that there are more brethren who are not under the control of Mr hales (Mr. Taylors successor), than who are. As with any cult group, there is always a problem when one man becomes an unquestioned leader. One day all people will stand before God. We will all have to answer for our actions. We wont be able to call on the "Man of God" to answer for us, we are responsible for our actions... It is a very strange day when a person realises that they have the freedom and responsibility to make their own choices. The Taylorites are required to go to meetings every night of the week. It says in the book of Acts that the believers met everyday of the week to break bread, but it makes the point that it was because they wanted to. Here is the problem. I think going to meetings daily is a great idea, but only if its because that is what you want to do. If you only do it because you have to do it then your heart is not in it. Whenever a leader forces you to do something, you can tell there is something wrong. Similarly, there is so much fear in leaving because you are fully aware that you lose everything when you leave, and there has been so much teaching that tells you how evil the rest of the world is. Despite all this many people leave with fear and trepidation regarding the world outside, and yet they discover freedom and release from the bondage past.

Posted by: BornAgain | November 20, 2004 7:38 AM

Mr John Nelson Darby I only know the Taylorite group. One woman told me she was a Plymouth Brethren. But I know for sure out of the mouth of another one of the ladies from their group that they are Taylorites. I have tried to look up the Plymouth Brethren here in Indianapolis, In but have been unsucessful. I know there are other groups here because I have seen some but have never been able to communicate with them. So when I post anything it's always about the Taylorites. You have to be born into that group physically to be part of them Yosiah

Posted by: Yosiah | November 21, 2004 7:23 PM

Dear Beloved PL Thanks for your comments. Park Street was sold by the faction of EBs that remained with it. It is now a complex of luxury town houses and flats. Little do the residents know what wonderful fellowship meetings we used to have. I am especially nostalgic of those Saturday morning readings presided over by the likes of Cyril Byng or Eric Burr. Does anyone out there remember the saga of Mr Skeffington's confession - where for years he had maintained that an icicle which formed during an exceptionall cold London winter was still there in July? Or his famous bicycle ride from Land's End to John O' Groats? Or his famous fig tree? What was the story about the fig tree? I remember those "Lordsday Readings" at 9:00 am, followed by three preachings at 10:15. I went to see a film "Sunday, Bloody Sunday" around that time, and felt it appropriate to scrawl that title in various locations around Park Street. I miss it all now. How I wish I could have a bible, hymn book or ministry book to deface! How I wish I could phone up some unsuspecting brother posing as a newspaper reporter requesting an interview! Just little things, like owning a transistor radio, reading a Sunday Newspaper, or having a cup of tea with non brethren friends, made these meetings so worthwhile! I say the EBs were great fun, Long Live Big Jim, and may the present Elect maintain this proud tradition! Love to you all FER

Posted by: F E Raven | January 9, 2005 11:30 AM

Thanks for your info FER. As a 12-year old I was intrigued about those saints who confessed and wept in the meetings about their masturbation. What utter rubbish this religion was! To think we were forced to go to it. I haven't seen my parents for more than three decades. It is a shame that their religion robbed them of normal parential emotions and love. But I agree, in retrospect it was funny. CAC

Posted by: CAC | February 8, 2005 7:11 PM

what a load of rude, innacurate nonsense about exclusive brethren. why someone would want to come on here and slag off God's people is beyond me, unless they have something to hide, or are following satan! leave them alone and sort out your own problems before you try and sort out anyone elses, especially God-fearing folk. it seems that these days any stand for God and not for the world is taken as weakness or wierd. Believe me, it;'s far from it!

Posted by: ben joseph | February 24, 2005 5:42 PM

Thanks for your comments Ben Joseph. What others have said may have been rude - may have been perceived as "slagging off" the saints - but are not inaccurate. Like CAC, I remember "confession meetings", where some of the most bizarre "crimes" were announced. I agree with you that we must not slag off God's chosen people. Regards FER

Posted by: FER | March 6, 2005 12:28 PM

I don't believe in God or Satan. I believe in Freedom of Choice as an idealogy and I also believe it was one of Devo's finest songs. Thanks for the informative website Richard. Learning about The Exclusive Brethren has been fascinating. I work with an ex-Brethrenite, who claims to follow the central beliefs, yet from what I've read here she and her husband do it in the usual way of most religious people ie whatever is convenient (they share a common wall, and driveway with neighbours, watch television etc.) Good to hear that this religion/cult is no different in that respect to any others ! Oh, and to all you God Botherers out there, please don't pray for my eternal soul, 'cause if I've got it wrong and there is a Hell I sure as shit don't want to end up in Heaven you boring lot.

Posted by: Waddo | May 23, 2005 10:54 PM

Dear All Confession meetings were sometimes funny, but I was too young at the time to know what they were all about. My parents prevented me from going to the really juicy ones. The best meeting (and the last) I ever went to was on a Wednesday evening at Park Street in July 1970 when Big Jim's Aberdeen story broke. It was worth being in fellowship just for that! In that meeting, one leading brother - I forget his name - tried to tell everyone about the incident, but half the saints weren't having it. Someone switched the microphone system off, whereby a band of them got up and walked out, "withdrawing from iniquity". It was all good fun - like CAC and FER, how I miss it now! Love to you all Percy Lyon

Posted by: Percy Lyon | May 24, 2005 2:15 AM

I currently work for an exclusive brethren company , there are 2 non brethren people at work , 2-3 days aweek i am the only non eb there , at smoko times i sit in the smoko room by my self surfing the net on my cell phone cause no one talks to me (yawn) I went into this job knowing this though. I had an interesting discussion a couple of weeks ago with the youngest son , for I do not believe in the trinity and i started to discuss this with him and man did his body language change . Face went "hard" and leaning against the table his legs were crossed and his arms were crossed over his chest , a very interesting but not unexpected response to something he had never been exposed to before . He could not answer my objections so he said to his dad that we have a problem , and his dad made a "rule" (very agressively as well) that religion and politics shall not be disscussed at work. very interesting next few days :-)

Posted by: sojouner | May 26, 2005 6:51 AM

i`ve just read a book behind closed doors. its from a x - Exclusive Brethren and i think its a very sad tough life they lead. i personally think they should not have cults but let people have there belief in god with out anything being drummed into them. putting threats like taking the children away from the family is so wrong and the life of torture is so wrong.from reading this book it`s shed more than a tear as to what goes on. it must leave torture to ones life for ever. i do wonder why tho,why do they have buildings with no windows? there seems to be more one can do wrong than one who does.there certainly isnt a free life where one can do as they want. i beleive this is a free world and one should be able to do what ones pleases with out being dictated to.i wish from the bottom of my heart i could help the ones who are tyed up and are confused and would want to get help or even a listening ear. ang

Posted by: angie | May 28, 2005 1:04 AM

I have just finished "Behind Closed Doors" I am very moved by what I have read. I am so glad that this family never lost sight of the God who loves and cares for them, and Ngaire,s closing words from the Bible, have challenged me afresh in my own walk with the Lord. "For I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord, plans for good and not evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (Living Bible)

Posted by: joybells | June 3, 2005 10:38 PM

In April 2002, I started working on a contract basis with a company in Sheffield. As youv'e probably guessed they were EB. As a non relgious person I was amazed at the fact that there were no visible signs of technology in the office. When I asked the question, 'Why do you have phones but no faxes?'. I was told that they were God fearing Christians....... What sort of answer was that? Anyway, my contract lasted 2 years at that company and I must say, the people are probably the most pleasant individuals you could wish to meet, their ethics however are absolutly crass. Do not take the Lords name in vain etc, etc. Its the kids I feel sorry for, they all look the same, wear the same style of clothes; they are all very wary of non-members as if we are the Devil himself. What will these kids do when it comes to furthering their careers without the possibility of using computers or watching television or listening to the radio. Oh, I forgot they will become members of the family business won't they. I think that they should be given the education provided by their Church and then let them make their own mind up, but then again they would probably be too scared to do so as they wouldn't know what to do as they are all to shy and frightened to step out and be different. In this day and age the EB are going to become an outcast of society, because their ways and beliefs are archaic. They may be doing well today, but look to the future guys, you ain't going to survive. PLEASE, PLEASE give your kids the opportunity to see life as it really is good and bad: They do not want to be wrapped in cotton wool forever. Remenber YOU will lose. Any comment dtheagent@yahoo.co.uk

Posted by: Dave the Agent | June 6, 2005 11:06 AM

I would like to second the comments about the book 'behind closed doors'. Ngaire (Nyree) expresses very well, the way in which the leadership of a group like the EB take complete controlo of every aspect of your life. It is very hard when you are brought up under this total control, to see that life outside the EB may be better. Because you don't make your own decisions - what you say to an 'outsider' when they ask you a question - is only what you have been told to think. The most freeing thing i find, is to look back and realise that over the short while that I have been away from the control - i have learnt to make my own choices and decisions - and that is ok! But ppl ask me "why did u feel u had to drive that particular type of car?" or 'why didn't you just not do what they said?" but i think that the manipulation tactics are so cunning - that you don't realise that it is going on. I feel Nyree expressed extrememly well - how this subtle manipulation was able to control the minds of so many people.

Posted by: born again | June 15, 2005 8:40 AM

We must remember that the Exclusive Brethren is just a religion. It is nothing more and nothing less. It is the birthright of all Exclusive Brethren children. They don't regard themselves as a religion. They believe that one Sunday morning they will be raptured to heaven and rule the universe with Jesus. How nice! No wonder they prefer home schooling where no outside influence can rock their beliefs.

Posted by: PL | July 2, 2005 2:28 AM

As I opened my second bottle of whisky, it was nice to note messages from JND, FER, and CAC from the other side, you bums. I was wondering whether, if you had been around, you boobs would have sided with me after the Aberdeen ambush, or would you have sided with those b***ards Jim Renton, George Strange et al? Just be nice to know. Also, I think Beedy-Aitch is doin a grand job from Sydney, don't think he quotes the Good Book at all now in his meetings. Altho I'm not at all sure about this Review thing. Bit daft if you ask me. JTJr JTJr@heaven.com

Posted by: JTJr | July 9, 2005 11:39 PM

My question would be if the exclusive brethren are so looking forward to the rapture - why did the brethren start paying for advertising to keep Bush in as president after Mr Hales comment "If Bush and Howard don't get re-elected then the rapture is certainly nigh" I would think they should try and get those men voted out so the rapture could come sooner - DOnt they want the rapture? JTJr - were u at that meeting, or were you just quoting from teh transcripts! (lots of laughs!)And I don't seem to remember you quoting from the good book either - what was it that you said at Aberdeen "This is supposed to be a spiritual meeting, someone say something spiritual" - or something to that effect! I still cant believe that people still followed 'you' after all that you said and did over those 3 day meetings? But I think that men must be fickle!

Posted by: born again | July 15, 2005 9:26 AM

Nice to hear from you Mr Jim. It must be very tiresome for you every Lord's Day. I don't envy you accompanying the Lord to His supper first of all in New Zealand, then Australia, Europe and last of all in America. No doubt you have probably nicknamed Los Angeles as the "Last Supper". I continue to miss you deeply. Although later Elect Vessels were undoubtedly chosen by the Lord Himself - the current one is the Holy Spirit personified - they lack the charisma and drive we used to associate with yourself. The Spirit is no longer emphasising some of the points you made, such as swearing, adultery and whiskey drinking. In fact, to be a saint can be boring at times. Thanks to the Ambush, which the Lord so carefully laid, there is no evil, dissent, or criticism of the saints in the assembly. I am looking forward to the Rapture - or being taken by the Lord - whichever comes first - in order that I may return with the Lord and the rest of the saints to rule the Universe! Love to all those with whom I share this wonderful fellowship, Yours in Breaking Bread The Saint.

Posted by: The Saint | August 14, 2005 4:35 AM

This whole story is very sad. Can I in all humility, call you all to seek the Lord Jesus & Him crucified & risen again. Men & their failures are of no significance in the light of eternity. I speak as someone who has some experience of all this, though with no direct contact with exclusive brethren

Posted by: vernal | August 23, 2005 5:20 PM

What an awful list of lies, misunderatanding, twisting of facts and hatred from persons clearly under the control of satan. Some claiming to be christian also. But most expressing enmity against genuine Christians who belong to the fellowship known as Exclusive Brethren. I grew up amongst Brethren,but left over 10 years ago. I was never chased to go back. Some well meaning folk may have made mistakes when dealing with people however that gives no excuse for the viscious slander some ex-peebs continue to pour on Brethren who would still do everything they could to rectify any perceived wrong if in fact it did exist. The Brethren's way of life is unparalleld,and often misunderstood but any honest person who examined it in a true God fearing way has to concede it's rightness. It is a true way if one wants to fully please God instead of one's self. Most of us want to please ourselves and or do our own thing. Many of us want a little bit of Christianity along with the world's entertainment, sport etc. One has to admit that, that is not God's way. It has been the pursuit of actions not in keeping with Christian princples that has led to division of families. Brethren certainly do not break up families, it is the wrongful acts (often grossly sinful) of the people concerned. Kent. P.S. The initials JND, FER,CAC, JTjnr etc that some have used as their alias in their tirades are the initials of Godly men amongst Brethren in times past. How sick. K

Posted by: Kent (alias) | September 21, 2005 8:24 AM

I have just met someone who left Plymouth Brethern #4. Is that the same as Exclusive? Does anyone know where it fits in the spectrum? According to this person there is a lot of control, a lot of separation and a lot of love.

Posted by: newbie | September 26, 2005 4:23 PM

Taylorite Exclusive Brethren, to which this thread refers, form a very small minority (maybe 30,000) of around 1,000,000 "brethren" worldwide. Anyone reading or contributing to this thread therefore needs to be aware that the vast majority of "brethren", whether open or exclusive, are nothing other than non-denominational Christians practising a scripural way of life. Sadly, it seems that some are intent on pretending otherwise, and in sowing confusion on this thread, although I'm not sure why.

Posted by: jacob | October 5, 2005 6:15 PM

sorry if my comment was inclined to reduce the humour & vitriol of some of what preceded. Perhaps I was being too serious. Let's have more energetic comment.

Posted by: vernal | October 9, 2005 1:01 PM

I have a friend who was expelled 22 years ago and has just recieved a letter of apology for the actions of this group.They were quite angry that should think that they now have any right to say anything. They are so over it but it has triggered all these feelings off again that they didn't make a choice about their own destiny but were didtated to and forced into a situation that they had no control over. They are now Belivers in Jesus Christ. I wonder for those of you have left, if there were particular strongholds that you prayed through to find your freedom?? Mentor Girl

Posted by: Mentor Girl | November 13, 2005 8:26 PM

I have noted with great interest what other correspondents have contributed. My upbringing in the Exclusive Brethren religion made me frustrated since I did not know nor understand what was going on around me. I wasn't allowed to have friends. This affected my education and behaviour. I was never aware of love, I only knew their dogma and slogans. When I was 16 I stopped going to their meetings. In 40 years I have never seen my family. I do not think that the Exclusive Brethren are good people. However there are worse religions. For instance they don't throw stones at adulterers (I have seen that in the Middle East) or sacrifice their children (Fortunately I have not seen that but I can document cases in Africa).

Posted by: CAC | November 23, 2005 2:51 PM

Does anyone know if Peebs Net went out of business. Haven't been able to go there for quite some time now

Posted by: Yosiah | December 24, 2005 1:21 PM

Happy Christmas to you all. To Yosiah: I did visit Peebs.Net today. I never registered with them, but I read a news article dated 16/12/05.

Posted by: JT | December 25, 2005 6:40 PM

Thanks for the reply. I know what you are going thru. Hang in there . we will win. The local Peebs here are meaner then they ever have been. But that's OK we will win in the long run

Posted by: Yosiah | December 26, 2005 9:39 PM

JT Thanks for the Peebs.Net info but I still can't get on web site. The Yahoo search engine says that the forums have been closed and there's no access to the forums at the presest time. I tried Library, Peeling the Onion, News and no success. Thanks again Yosiah

Posted by: Yosiah | December 27, 2005 1:58 PM

Can anyone tell me if Peebs.Net has shut down. And or came out under a new name. You can put my e-mail address in message. It might be the only way I can be reached with information. klfry@prodigy.net Thanks Keith Fry

Posted by: Keith Fry | December 31, 2005 12:13 PM

I left the EBs in 1968 when I was 21. In doing so, I also left most of my family (my parents were "withdrawn from" 7 years prior and I was kept from seeing them.) Now I'm 62 but can't see my sisters although the elder one has contacted me recently, just wanting me back in the EBs. I am very sick with invasive cancer and it must run in the family because my 2 sisters also have it. Yet we can't see one another or help each other. What sort of Christianity is this? My eldest sister says the EBs have "restrained love" for me - praise God His love isn't restrained, but abounding, full and free.

Posted by: Margaret | January 15, 2006 6:29 PM

The only thing I can remember about the EB's was Christ. Christ for breakfast, Christ for lunch and Christ for tea. It was Christ, Christ, Christ, I became so sick and tired of it. Christ for eternity? Thank you, but no thank you!

Posted by: JBS | January 22, 2006 5:03 PM

Would the saints be offended of a cartoon of Big Jim? He was, after all, a prophet.

Posted by: Park Street | February 11, 2006 4:55 PM

Dear Park Street I don't think the saints would know what a cartoon was, let alone being offended by it. They are all so busy shoring up this gigantic fabric of make-believe that they wouldn't notice it. And by the way, Big Jim wasn't a prophet. He was the elect vessel, an important instrument of God for his recovery of the truth. But poor God has still got a long way to go. He has only managed to recover 27,000 souls world wide so far, out of a total of 6 billion. Never mind, he's got eternity to do it, and judging from the saints' fertility, one day they will be in the majority.

Posted by: SMcC | April 8, 2006 4:13 AM

An ode to the Vessel Elect For Recovery God did select He once did prefer To have sex with Ms Ker And became the Vessel Erect

Posted by: Madeline | April 23, 2006 12:08 AM

Disappointed with the lack of ascerbic comment in the last few months! Where are all the disallusioned ex exclusive brethren? Have been reading some brethren history of late & was surprised to discover how liberal JND was on some points! E.G. in the remarriage controversy of the 1870s, approving of remarriage after divorce. Perhaps the experiences of you all in the 20th century are not representative of brethren history over a longer period.

Posted by: vernal | May 4, 2006 5:28 PM

Hi,I left the EBs in 1988 and they have totally messed with my head, and despite counselling and various other attempts to clear them from my life, this nasty little voice keeps popping up in my head...but just suppose they were right?" You will go to hell is what they said or other Heavies would say Well his eternal salvation is definitely under question...Grrr!! This cult is one of the most subtle evil sly bunch..mainly the heirarchy who are doing satans work in all his slippery guile, pretending to be Christians when in deed they are not.The person most responsible is the leader because he knows for sure that he is no more Gods Elect vessel than he is Michael Jackson, except he can dance and sing! Yabbadabba doo

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 2, 2006 9:28 AM

The Taylor/Hales EB are perfectly nice people---if you keep your head down and do what you are told at all times. But just try and think independently or deviate from the very detailed control of your daily life, including what to wear, where to travel, what to read, whether to skip a meeting one night, or a thousand more of their rules, and you are in trouble. Once you become suspect the reaction is savage and vindictive in the extreme. Many of us have experienced it first hand. They are clever at putting on a sweet face when questioned by "worldly" people, but many of us have been on the receiving end of vicious and ruthless actions.

Posted by: atticus | August 2, 2006 11:55 AM

Hey Hi its me again still breaking a few rocks...but I have a little question for Bruciebaby...you know you are not the elect vessel, you know you are faking it amd you know its all a money making scam how long can you keep it up? I suppose you only have the following options....1)Make a run for it and live in Fiji with unimaginable wealth until you pop your clogs....2)Keep up the double life you are definitely doing but....hey JTJr did it so why not...you may get away with it... a bit nooky on the side is nice...or 3) keep going the way you are going....but let me tell you ...I KNOW you are a fake! Yabadabadooo lets get breaking rocks now lol

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 4, 2006 7:46 AM

For over 40 years I have known the Taylorite/Hales Brethren to be the most most wicked of persons living who seem to enjoy dividing families and suck the resources of such divided families. They believe in the word of Bruce Hales in exactly the same way that the suicide bombers believe the word of Bin Laden or any other such fanatic. I doubt that they believe in the word of God.

Posted by: Barney Rubble | August 8, 2006 2:14 PM

Hey Barney. you are spot on they pretended they were sorry for the way they treated me, but have completed ignored me since...if they were genuinely sorry they would have at least followed through on it both physically and financially too...instead I am cut out of the family Will and when my mother died they didnt even tell me!Christians? You have to be fooling yourself to think they are remotely Christian. And the Erect Vessel?...hello...he would have to be some kind of a prick I reckon to torture so many gullible brainwashed poor deluded souls. Yabbaddabadoo bye for now

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 15, 2006 9:27 PM

Hey Fred, I was saying to Wilma last night that the Bruce Hales-led Brethren have made it their exclusive rights to the assets of those who die and make sure that anyone excommunicated is treated as though they did not exist. Of course, they deplore the use of the word "excommunicated" as this has a Roman Catholic flavour - and the Roman Catholics are a bitter enemy. A bit like the Taliban and the other Muslims I suppose. The Brethren "withdraw" from people which is a nice way of saying you are excommunicated. Well, that's what they think anyway. When were you excommunicated or withdrawn from? Forget the terminology - when did you get out? When were you released from bondage?

Posted by: Barney Rubble | August 16, 2006 1:54 PM

Hey hi and ho I left and didnt give them the pleasure of "taking issue with me", although that gave them the pookywookys and they had me confined...shut up...you know what all that stuff is about...anyway it is nearly 20 years ago, and I believe they actually curse you...bit like voodoo...certainly more evil...worshiping their MOG is appallingly evil and

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 18, 2006 6:04 AM

bother I hadnt quite finished lol dont you hate computers sometimes ..sometimes they remind you of the EBs always pedantic..in your face..and always so ..extremely right...but actually not really right.Anyway Barney, we left nearly 20 years ago but they still bug me to this day...and give you a pain in your innermost soul that no one else outwith Peebs really understands..take care

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 18, 2006 6:09 AM

Hey Fred. You said, "worshipping their MOG is appallingly evil and..." I shall not sleep until I hear the end of that sentence. Has Wilma been nobbling you? Betty has given up on that sort of thing.

Posted by: Barney Rubble | August 18, 2006 3:02 PM

"worshipping their MOG is appallingly evil and" Did Wilma stop you from saying more? Betty and I are dying to hear what sould have come after the "and"... Why can't separate paragraphs be shown here?

Posted by: Barney Rubble | August 19, 2006 9:58 AM

Sorry about the break....but I dunno something happened....maybe it was the Lord Bruce taking issue with me, but I cannot remember what I wrote next, but just for the info a young relative of JTJr once asked him what it was like to be Universal Lead and JTJr replied "Its not a bad gig if you can get it" or words to that effect! Hey I cant get into Peebs dot net....dunno why any suggestions? Cya

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 20, 2006 8:29 AM

It wasnt Wilma..she was being subject adjusting her headscarf hic not. I think I may have upset the host...maybe it was for not praying for the MOG while giving thanks for the food...but my next two postings vanished into cyberspace.Will try this one and see how it goes Yabbadabadoo cya

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | August 22, 2006 8:59 AM

MandyB asked some time ago "And why do they all drive so badly?" The answer is because they are all under the influence of alcohol. Although the public image of the Taylorite-Hales division is that they don't drink, this is that is far from the truth. Indeed, to them it is a sin not to drink neat Scotch. And it has to be Scotch. Whether this is a nod in the direction of the good times had in Aberdeen or not will never be known, but the Brethren I refer to, imbibe almost all day every weekend. And they start their first meetings at 6am. I suggest around the midday meeting or thereabouts would be a good time to get the authorities to "help them with their enquiries". It would be interesting to see if neighbours of these people are public-spirited enough to alert the authorities that their Brethren neighbours are in danger of killing their own children, as well of those playing in the street, due to their intake of alcohol over the weekend.

Posted by: Barney Rubble | August 23, 2006 4:42 PM

Sorry boys but the hiatus in comment is boring me. I thought the "brethren", despite their other faults were generally a literate group. How about some critical, intelligent contributions, rather than simple abuse, even if it is entertaining. Surely they taught you that at least!

Posted by: vernal | October 27, 2006 7:57 PM

I was born into the Exclusive Brethren, and had a place assured for me in Heaven, but now I know I will be going to Hell. This is because (a) I have a cat (b)I have a university education (c) I love my kids (d) I share a sewer with my neighbour (e) I took out a life assurance policy (f)I have a CD player, a computer, a TV, well, there are a billion reasons why I am going to Hell. May the Lord's grace be with you all, F.E.Raven.

Posted by: Mr Raven | November 2, 2006 11:16 PM

I am finding this fascinating! I have just begun a satirical piece of writing trying to describe a 'different' childhood, brought up in a Gospel Hall in NS, Canada. This is the first discussion board where someone has something funny to say and can see the humour in these intensely religious, extreme folks for whom I have both a grudging admiration (for their sincerity) and a terrible pity (for their fear and isolation). I think we'd all be a lot better off forgetting religion and seeing everyone's humanity. I am SICK of theology. Any stories of being brought up GH and having left, let's hear them. I understand they are never completely exorcised, will always be a part of you, but it helps to be able to laugh about them.

Posted by: in the mix | November 14, 2006 4:45 PM

Well hello in the mix and all you fine people out there. A sense of humor? Oh boy did you ever need that and still do, as the mongrels tried to steal mine; didnt let them I just dropped a rock on their toes instead. I believe its a good way of exorcising the ghosts of peebery, an undeniable cult if ever there was one. I just hope that it doesnt end up in a Waco Texas or Jonestown Guyana disaster...and dont say it couldnt as it has all the hallmarks in the making. Take care and cheers Fred

Posted by: Fred Flintstone | November 28, 2006 4:11 AM

Maybe its because certain people have no skills in the concept we must be in the world but not part of it...meaning not everything that goes on here would be a good idea to participate in including certain religions groups ummm...I hope that us people who choose not to be a part of certain behavoirs can be able to gain some kind of there own self control and self responsibility so that at the same time as not participating in all the world has to offer activity...we can live free at the same time.....and if we can one by one get our own foundation maybe we wouldnt have to have certain religions controlling us to the point of taking my rights away from liking the color blue....

Posted by: Anonymous | November 28, 2006 5:46 PM

Hello, i work for the brethrens but am not one of them. anyway there is a brethren girl at work who is quite friendly and i wonder if i should try to convince her to leave?

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