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Fred Phelps plans a monument to homophobia in Wyoming.

Brendan Burke Casper Star-Tribune:

Rev. Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., announced plans Thursday to erect a monument in Casper's City Park.

The monument would be made of marble or granite, stand 5 to 6 feet in height, with a heavy bronze plaque bearing the face of slain University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard and an inscription reading "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22," a letter from the Westboro Baptist Church signed by Phelps sent to the city of Casper states.

Phelps seeks anti-gay marker

Richard Evans Lee
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You can't CHOOSE to be agnostic. Agnosticism is that no-man's land, that middle ground, between atheism and christianity. Anyone who does any studying at all should come to a conclusion as to what they believe. Agnostics are agnostic because they have no desire to know the truth.

Posted by: glenn james | October 8, 2003 2:54 PM

Agnostics simply don't believe that they can know the truth. I used the term for myself for many years. Eventually I did make up my mind and started calling myself an atheist.

Posted by: Richard Evans Lee | October 8, 2003 5:08 PM

Phelps is the biggest fuckin bitch I know. Why the fuck cant u just accept ppl for how they are u stupid cock. Fucking Christ u piss me off so bad. Go to hell u bitch.

Posted by: a 14 yr old | October 14, 2003 8:38 PM

i hope phelps himself burns in hell for his spewing of such absurd venom and hatred. he does christianity, as well as all humankind, a disservice.

Posted by: zach ratzman | October 28, 2003 7:07 PM

It's hard for me to even imagine how someone can be so vicious and horrible enough to do that. Shame on him. If he opposes homosexuality, so be it but it's absolutely disgusting that somebody would be so hypocrital and cruel enough to erect a statue that will inflict so much pain on the family -- and the gay & straight communities alike in general.

Posted by: Alexis | November 12, 2003 8:16 PM

How can anyone from an Atheistic view condemn what Mr. Phelps is doing? Atheism professes that there is no God and that matter is all there is and ever will be. In fact, Agnostics can't seem to find God, so even that position tends to postulate an evolutionary arguement. In light of the idea of Materialism, Matthew Shepherd is no different than any other animal that dies. Any idea of meaning is an illusion and can only be subjective. Mr. Phelps warped ideas are just as valid as those who oppose him. Without a standard that exists beyond just matter, we don't have a right to call any opinion wrong. The "wrongness" or "rightness" of an idea is an individual expression and cannot be held with higher regard than anyone elses. I have read the great Atheist thinkers and even they have to admit to a cold hard truth of their own philosophy. Mr. Phelps doesn't represent Christianity at all. He is not the product of a Christ filled heart. Jesus would never picket a funeral or attack people with such baseless rhetoric. The standard that he claims to uphold is the same one even he can't live up to. I would in no way endorse his methods or ideology.

Posted by: kannibal | November 14, 2003 2:39 PM

Entropy will have sway: a cosmos of undifferentiated strung along in a cloud of unknowing from one end of the curved or uncurved universe. You, I, me, them are mere outcomes of our contingencies: combinations of place, particularities of time. No good, no evil. Good and bad maybe. To hope to nourish men and women who share our wishes. To thwart those whose lives stand against us and our friends.

Posted by: Richard | November 14, 2003 3:31 PM

I love the poetry, but where is the reality. Entropy points us to a beginning. It implies that something began and is moving toward a death. Genesis to Revelation spells out this idea in full detail. Genesis posits that all things came into being and we find in Revelation that Death will swallow it all up. Yes, everything is winding down and that is all within the framework of the Bible. Let's deal with the reality of life and purpose. Atheism places life in a position of selfish gene survival. I return to my arguement about Matthew Shepherd or the many nameless faces that are victimized every day because they are gay. The children who suffer and endure hatred and abuse. I can obviously create a list that would take another day to finish of the tragedies in our world. None of these things can be considered "bad" in any objective sense. You must accept these things as the cruel trappings of the evolving world. The mutations that create eyes and wings, cannot create "better" behavior even though they argue it is genetic. If you posit "good", then you must accept there is "bad". Who determines what is good and bad, if not an eternal lawgiver? I argue that killing children is bad, Hitler may have argued it is good, who decides which position is "right"? When someone is murdered, why should anyone be upset? It is only the selfish gene at work in a world of mere chance. Darwinian philosophy dictates a world of no purpose and no meaning, why should anyone be held accountable for the actions of the selfish gene.

Posted by: Kannibal | November 18, 2003 12:09 AM

I’m not Dawkins and don’t have a thing to say about Darwinian theories of evolution. There are certain kinds of people I feel a kinship with, sympathy for that I want to see happy and safe. So I desire that society not be shaped in such a way their lives are interfered with. This is wholly personal and don’t worry about justifying it or cosmic abstractions.

Posted by: Richard Evans Lee | November 18, 2003 7:04 AM

I understand you are not Dawkins, but what do you accept as the means of our being here? Do you just push aside any notion of how the cosmos came into being or how we arrived therein? You have people you care about and want them to be safe. I think how you feel about the way we were brought into existence is very important. The driving force behind life's ideals stem from that very central issue. You can just dismiss it all and just live, but is that being consistent with positions you take on your website? You don't want society encroaching in on those you love, but why? There is nothing that guarantees you this "right" outside of an Objective creator. Do you think those you care about have any intrinsic value? If you didn't think they were special people would other people? Should others see value in those you love? Still curious about what you think of Jesus.

Posted by: kannibal | November 18, 2003 9:12 AM

I don't want to keep this going on in this entry. Maybe my The atheist & the raped grandmother will answer your questions. You might find this guy a more active atheist debater.

Posted by: Richard Evans Lee | November 18, 2003 4:55 PM

I posted this on my friendster bulletin board and want it to get around: This is completely and utterly disturbing to me and should be to everyone else as well. A friend of mine had come to me with a name, Fred Phelps, an anti-gay minister in Topeka, Kansas. She had found the fact that he preaches against homosexuality disturbing and wanted to see my opinion. I went ahead a did a little research on this guy, only to find he makes me absolutely sick. Go to the website http://www.godhatesfags.com/home.html which is the website of the Westboro Baptist Church he is a pastor at, that sends chills up your spine. Besides the inhumane actions of Fred Phelps, what bothered me the most was not the slurs of homosexuals prominently displayed on the site nor the increasing number of protests he leads against gays, but his violent attack against one young man. If you all remember, about 5 years ago, Matthew Shepard, 21 years old, was brutally beaten and left to die right outside of Laramie, Wyoming. It was later found, the cause of the attack was due to the fact that Matthew Shepard was gay. A stunning blow to the gay community, these acts are not completely uncommon. Although this particular hate crime took place a whole 5 years ago, it is not yet put to rest. In Shepard's hometown of Casper, Wyoming, Fred Phelps has insisted in constructing a memorial to commemorate Matthew Shepard. As heartwarming as that sounds, it is everything but. The stone memorial is to state the date of Matthew Shepard's entry to hell, with a message stating how God hates fags. Now here is what I say, I say if Fred Phelps wants to be an anti-gay activist, he has his freedom of speech, but to capitalize on the brutal murder of Matthew Shepard is abusing the 1st ammendment right and in itself, a crime. Just look at the front page of the website, there is a picture of Matthew Shepard in flames. Not only is that disrespectful to his family and friends, but to the public as well. So, If anyone else is as offended as I am at this hateful display in society by Fred Phelps, then I ask just one thing. Send a simple email to a member of the city council of Topeka, Kansas. At the bottom I have listed a number of the city council members with their email and phone numbers. And if anyone has a doubt to the outrage of the Westboro Baptist Church or just would like to hear how poorly they view the death of Matthew Shepard, then I urge you to please give them a phone call. I spent a total of 2 minutes on the phone with them before they hung up on me. They damned to me hell, oh well, at least I am not a closed minded inconsiderate idiot. Westboro Baptist Church - (785) 273-0325 City Council Members of Topeka, Kansas: John Alcala jalcala@topeka.org Clark Duffy clark_duffy@cox.net Bill Haynes wgh@wghaynes.com Harold Lane hlane@topeka.org John Nave jnave@topeka.org Duane Pomeroy dpomeroy@topeka.org Jeff Preisner jpreisner@topeka.org Gary Price gprice@topeka.org Phone number for all council members: 785-368-3710 Let your voice be heard.

Posted by: Lucy Rayberg | January 15, 2004 3:04 PM

Phelps is not a Christian. He may use the guise to do what he's doing but God is not his motivation. It's his homophobic belief that he knows best. He is not practising the most basic rule of Christianity which is to love one another. He has ignored the fact that God loves Mathew Shepard equally to the way he loves him. Phelps would be better occupied putting his efforts and money into a genuine contribution to humanity.

Posted by: Pat | May 14, 2004 5:01 AM

To blatantly ignore the entire new covenant as Reverend Fred Phelps is doing is a foolish way to look at christianity. He quite simply doesn't understand what he is preaching and I've no doubt that his fate is not one of angels, harps and clouds.

Posted by: Joe | May 16, 2004 3:14 PM

As someone else pointed out to me once, that translation makes almost no sense. How does one lay with mankind as with womankind? Would that mean the natural order of things is anal sex? I personally hold that the translation used is erroneous and favor the one that bases the use of the word "to'evah" (iirc) commonly translated as "abomination" to in this case refer to a nonconsensual relationship, possibly in association with idol worship. I am no Torah scholar, but I have read stuff that learned rabbis have written on the subject that makes more than coherent sense to me. So, basically, what I'm saying is... You can't trust an English translation. So this guy is full of bullshit. He'll probably be spending some time in Hell for daring to presume that he has the right to pass judgment on others. (Ohwait, I just dared to presume to that I have the right to pass judgment. Well, you know what I mean.)

Posted by: Batshua | May 18, 2004 3:07 AM

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My thanks,
Richard

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