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Sometimes fundamentalists are inadvertantly honest:

Fundamentalist proponents of intelligent design, however, make no broad claim for classroom equality on behalf of all religions because, they insist to the general public, theirs is not a faith-based initiative but “a scientific dissent from Darwinism.” But as evolutionary biologist Jerry A. Coyne at the University of Chicago notes, one of intelligent design’s leading proponents, William A. Dembski, undermines that objective stance: “[A]ny view of the sciences that leaves Christ out of the picture must be seen as fundamentally deficient.” He quotes from Dembski’s book Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science & Theology.

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Talk about inadvertent. By the tag-line, the above paragraph is inadvertently showing a bias against Christians: "'sometimes' fundamentalists are inadvertantly [sic] honest." In other words, Christians for the most part are dishonest, but even Christians can "inadvertently" tell the truth once in a while. Well, lucky for you that the majority of us are non-Christian, and are therefore openly as well as inadvertently… Honest? Dishonest? Obviously, this is just a smoke screen to feel good about the worldview you have chosen for yourself. As for answering the question: Evolution v Christianity, which is the true science? Neither are science. BOTH are a worldview, and both require faith. I think we can agree that one of the views requires way more faith to believe than the other. You may think the choice is obvious—well, so do I, yet we differ on which one it is. My challenge to you is to take a little time to research it for yourself. YOU research it--don't take Dan Brown's word for it, or anybody else's! I know you haven’t researched it, or you would have reached the same conclusion as I. That is, since Christianity promises to give me a purposeful life here on earth, and a life after death, and has proven to be historically accurate throughout the centuries, I've concluded that that's a worldview I can believe in with out too much of a faith-stretch. OhBTW, the last time anyone checked, Darwin was still dead.

Posted by: nottilox | November 11, 2006 8:11 AM

I amagine we can all agree that everything changes..as time went on different creations started to pop up around us I amagine I can relate that to a thing called change by a creator meaning different creations were alive for a time and then no more..and then all of a sudden we have new creations coming in to play..yes I can amagine and think about the time where man once lived on only land..and did not have these wonderful built homes that we have now as time went on and on Just like our transpertation what was it Horses at one time we all had to use for transpertation? Now we have styling cars with dvd movies playing in them ....I understand that the creator created man in authority before Christ..how about we go as far back as moses...then time passed and all of a sudden God created another miraculus person lets call him Jesus CHrist..I guess what seperates him from being complete man is that Christ was connected the the creator Christ knew things that lets say a fully man could not comprehend...and the beat went on....everything is energy ....us humans run on a energy inside of us the energy rigth now allowing me to choose to type...there are some people gifted in the area of making cars to run and knowing why and how the car runs just like our creator creates certain people to understand how the creator works so now we can all learn from one another only if some does not choose to shut the door of their mind and heart or lets just say shut the door on facts of energy being able to teach itself...just as you see creation created with the naked eye there are some people who are created on purpose to be able to see the spiritual world as well (energy)...there is a energy that is completely seperate from creation...a energy you can not trap..tie up or put in a box....measure or weigh.....hopefully man wont be stupid enough to believe that if us human beings have eyes that God cannot have eyes hopefully man wont be that far in there own blinders...everything we have here (creation) reflects who God is and who God is not...you decide ....the sun shines itself on the good and the bad just like when we have the huricane come it blows through the good and the bad...as for your choice in deciding what is rigth and what is wrong I hope you will make the good choices in who you want to be....with grace inbetween....there are some people also created to a point where they have no more grace any more and the fact is jsut like the law grace starts to dwindle away every tiem you get convicted of wrong the penalty gets greater and greater making the same decisions and expecting a different result but for some reason they always get the same result or even worse from where it started at....you be the decider..in your own case...as a child is born he evolves into a man or women with conviction in some form or another and realizes there is consequences to ones actions...but you be the decider on that....... Good for that person who is able to wake up some how to a better way of living for himself and for the benefit of others....where is it that you are carrying your energy around??????is it your energy or was it given to you by a creator ????by choice we are able to see who we really are and what we are made by and why............different experiances ..but same principles...........

Posted by: Rose | November 13, 2006 9:25 PM

Wow, I defy (challenge) anyone to use more words or longer run-on sen- tences and still say as little as dear Rose in her 11/13/06 post. As an empiricist who just finished viewing a documentary on Jim Jones and the Jonestown murders, I think for me to start interjecting facts into the Jesus vs Darwin debate at this point would probably be in poor taste. I can think of few endevors more futile than attempting to rationalize somebody out of some- thing they didn't rationalize themselves into. I must admit that on some level I envy people like Rose: Folks just floating around in some etherial puff of hot air; where 2+2 can equal orange. From what she wrote she sounds like a very happy person. There seems to be a lot of people throughout history who have lived very fulfilling lives completly devoted to their superstitions. I'm sure all of the old & new testa- ment mythologies at some point have to declare learning a sin as the roads inevitably diverge but I don't think those beliefs are any less important or any less real than my search for factual evidence. I don't even see any evidence to support that being right has any relevence at all. Mitch Mabee Rose

Posted by: Mr. Perhaps | January 21, 2007 1:26 AM

Thanks for sharing that Mitch..sorry about my spelling and puncuation.

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